You should see the reports coming out of England.  Or the lawsuit by cuban Doctors against the socialist paradise of Venezuela.

In Gamble, Obama and Dems Prepare to Ram Health Care Through

AP

Obama strongly signaled at Thursday's summit that Democrats will move forward on a health care overhaul with or without Republicans. At stake are Democrats' political fortunes and the fate of Obama's agenda. Link

Forest Gump said it best "Stupid is as Stupid does". Remember, Obama can do no wrong, he is doing what the people want even though the people don't want it.

I just spoke on Wednesday with an old Canadian friend of mine. She had to have surgery performed but would have to wait. She works for the court system in Timmins and has good insurance. Her insurance company authorized her to come to the US for her procedure at a US hospital (which she praised).

She said months later, she got a call from the Canadian heath care checking to see if she still wanted the care. Of course she declined, grateful the US had the time for her immediately. I told her that their are folks here that want to model the Canadian system for the US. I imagine that many of those doors will shut for foreigners if that does happen.

Yesterday, I got all my ironing done while watching the entire Summit.  The fact that the American people by in large oppose Obamacare was brought up over and over, but no one of the Democrats ever acknowledged it.

Obama isn't stupid, (although his lockstep followers seem to be)....he's focused on dragging America into European style Socialism and a global "New Deal".  He promised "change"...transformational change which will be a disaster and thanks to the Net, blogging, FOX cable, etc.,  "we the people" (who really have the power) are wise to it...the recent elections prove that.

Last week, at work, we did a roundtable to talk about the healthcare system here in Montreal. We went about personnal experiences, and stories members of our families heard.

The general consensus was that it was a good system, that took care of you when you needed it. It wasn't perfect, as some people clutter it for unwarranted reason, but we got only 1 story of bad experience out of the 30 that went around the room, and it was mostly because of the hospital's administration that the free healthcare system itself.

When I got my operation as a kid, everything went down smoothly. When my best friend got an accident, he got treated and went out of the hospital the same day. When a kid's got cancer, the parents only has to worry about her health, as nothing will ever be charged to them.

It isn't the wreck you picture it. It isn't a "paradise", but it isn't hell. It's a system that takes care of the majority or the problems, and all the emergencies, but because of some's problems are less urgent, they are delayed because of lack of ressources localy. This is the main problem that we are trying to face.

But it's not a 3rd-world country-rate system. I don't think there is a perfect system yet.

Sounds like nothing a little tax increase won't solve.

Actually, you are wrong about that mentality. More and more people in our population are thinking that the solution is in a more efficient administration than simply plowing more money into the problem.

Don't assume we are living in a dumb socialist state. We know the problem our society face, and are quite aware of the causes. We just don't always agree on the solutions, and just like the U.S., we need to balance our points of view from time to time.

But you do know that currently, an all-public healthcare system is only present in a handful countries in the world (Canada included)? Taking *a* step toward more government care won't convert everything to such a system. Private administration will still be the majority element in your country, and you will have a nice hybrid public/private system, like in the U.K., France, and most other countries in the world.

Unfortunately for us (America), we are all too familiar with that problem, and the government response.  While they do decry the fraud and waste, their solution is always more money, and no reforms (or meaningful reforms).

I don't think anyone thinks of Hockey Canada that way.  But as many commonalities that America and Canada have, there are as many significant differences.  One of the most glaring is just the sheer size of the 2 countries.  What can be done on a small scale does always scale well to a much larger (10x) basis.  And the size issue is the major one.  And that is what concerns most Americans about the whole socialized health care issue.  When you are dealing with 100 or 1000 people, there is more intimacy than when you are dealing with 1 million.  Americans have a lot more influence on the local level, where you can actually talk to and have your elected official remember you, than on a national scale where they represent a million or millions of people.

That is not a given.  The plans before congress all have one thing in common.  Ways to drive the private companies out of the business.  That concerns us as well, because then you have just a monopoly of ineffeciency.  The republicans, much to the consternation of many of the democrats, do not want to reject reform out of hand, but to actually reform it, not completely remake it.  But they have no voice in the matter due to the over whelming majorities of democrats.  If some of their ideas were actually incorporated into a bill, it would not only be much cheaper thant he current versions, but also more effective and more widely supported.

Corrected that for you. It will change the business environment one way or the other, and the weakest will stop doing business.

I will finish my comment later, all right? Gotta do something else

To the democrats, all private companies are the worst, so the meaning is really unchanged from their perspective.  And they are running the show.

Waiiiiiit..

Isn't that a little harsh? Come on. I know there are some Democrats that are that level of socialists, but they aren't the majority of their party, not by a long shot. The main reason many of them wants more government intervention is because of the bad practice of some companies. Since those companies make (sadly) a better profit, these push the competitors to adopt some other policies that are detrimental to the society/customers.

Rein in those bad practices by putting a governement alternative, and companies who can compete will do so. I personnaly trust the market to do the most efficient thing. Not necessarely the best thing.

For the most part, I do agree with you.  However the leaders of the party (Obama, Pelosi and Reid) are very anti- BB and socialist. And as much as we would like to think that a representative is just that (representing the people), more often than not (at least of late), they toe the party line.  The purpose of this 2000+ page bill is to kill the insurance industry, and they will succeed.  Unless some democrats get a backbone.

Best being subjective.  For the market, efficiency is the best thing.

For the customers, it isn't always.

Look, at the way the conservatives are depicting us, you had me fooled since I have been 13.. (12 years ago)

Which only underline your ignorance of the canadian system and reality. You know that the administrative level in Canada is at the Provincial level? (Province is the equivalent of State in Canada). The federal law states the "Grand Line" the provinces should adminstrate their things, but they are usually blur and flexible ennough to allow lots of difference between Alberta and here Quebec.

the same thing could be achieved in the USA. Having Federal laws preventing inter-state abuses would be the best way to control exagerations, but outside of this, the states should be the one to provide administration.

The democrats? Hating the insurance companies?   They are probably the ones the most in arms of the insurance and high finance lobbies.

Have you considered that Obama is not the profit-hater you depict him as to be? Seriously, have you considered that the difference between Obama and your rethoric is about the same between Bush and his detractors at the time?

Bush wasn't that bad as some people decried him to be. Well.. you know, maybe Obama isn't as bad as some of his political ennemies, those who have the most to win to depict him THAT BAD, make it sound. In the end, it simply freezes the debate

I don't think they are depicting "you" as much as just demonizing your health care system.  You like it a lot, but then Danny Williams apparently does not.

Far from it, it merely accentuates the commonalities, and yet the differences.  You have 35m, right?  Ok, now try governing 310m.  This is not a provincial or state issue.  It is purely federal.  You indicate I am ignorant because your system is run by 10 provinces where the population averages 3m (up to about 8 for Ontario?).  Try running a centralized plan for 310m and growing from Ottawa.

Let me call your attention to the bolded word.  You are correct because you used that word.  Indeed, some of the republican plans have even gone so far as to try to aid with the second statement above.  Removing the bar on interstate commerce (which is the role of the Federal government) when it comes to medical insurance.  The problem is that Obama and the other democrats have cut that out.

As we have already seen, they make love in the night, and then villianize during the day.  The only thing the democrats like is the money from the insurance companies.  They (Barney Frank and Obama being the leading 2) have already said they want them gone since they are "evil".  Of course the companies gave money to the democrats.  They wanted to try to be the "Good Quisling", but as anyone who has read about the Fox and the Gingerbread man knows, the marriage never makes it across the river.

I would love to consider it!  Show me where?  I do not fault a tiger for being a tiger.  Obama has never hidden his contempt for private enterprise (he did after all tell Joe the Plumber - tough shit).  Obama did not run as a friend of private business.  he ran on the platform that government does not do enough.  So I can consider it, but then there is no basis to believe it.