Speaking up against our would be soviet overlords.
http://www.nrg.co.il/online/29/ART2/067/020.html
Published on February 25, 2010 By taltamir In Politics

The inevitable collapse of socialized healthcare in Israel is now taking the country by a storm. If you check the link you can see patients lined up in beds sitting in the hallways. Every empty space has an extra bed crammed in it, to fill the overflowing hospitals. Waiting times are unbearable, even for true emergencies in the ER. Some hospitals are actually no longer receiving new patients, because their rooms, walkways, and every spare spot are full of patients and they don't want to sit them out on the sidewalk outside the hospital.

It is fascinating how socialized healthcare fails miserably in every country that ever attempts it, it fails miserably in the 3 USA states that try it, and yet people still wish to pursue it.

The article is from one of israel's main newspapers. here is a google english translation link:

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http://www.nrg.co.il/online/29/ART2/067/020.html&sl=auto&tl=en

EDIT: please note that "brazil" is the name of hospital in the photograph.


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on Mar 07, 2010


Every major industry in this country is better regulated than insurance.
While I agree that mostly, every regulation requires an enforcement bureaucracy the size of which bears a direct relationship to the granularity of the regulation.  Highly granular, complex regulation begets big bureaucracy, a bureaucracy which siphons capital from the real economy, contributing nothing, and spawns ancillary private industry devoted, not to wealth generation, but avoidance of the impacts of regulation.  Regulatory simplification may be an oxymoron, but it's our only path to recovery from the mess we're in, IMO.

Don't misunderstand, regulation of things directly relating to basic public health & safety issues - e.g., sanitation, drinking water, transportation, building codes (up to a point) - is necessary and beneficial, having raised our standard of living immeasurably.  Once you get past the basics, though, regulatory bureaucracy just gums up the works.  When it comes to commerce (and the delivery of healthcare services is commerce), simple regulatory principles are better.  The microregulated nanny state is not conducive to either health or wealth.  Again, IMO.  And it is doomed to collapse in on itself, once there is insufficient productive commerce to support it.  Just look at Greece.

I disagree with at least part of that. We have a legal system for a reason. If laws are passed that forbid (regulate) insurance companies from cheating their customers we already have a system in place, one entire section of government called the legal system, that can handle it. No need for anything new. Also, getting rid of the anti-trust exclusion for them doesn't require a new government organization. It already exists.

That was my whole point. We can fix a huge part of the problem without creating a new beaurocracy or spending huge amounts of tax money.

on Mar 07, 2010

Do you mean the same same Clinton with the Republican controlled congress? Are you giving Clinton the credit for keeping the congress in line?

err.. I am sorry, but are you really desperate for me trying to declare myself a hard and fanatic democrat that I would think that?

The Republican-controlled congress was an example of good and efficient conservative cut-the-spending while Clinton was in the house. The animosity between the two sides kept things balanced, and Clinton had to be careful about how he would propose budget.

But when Bush got into the house, spending care went to hell, and the budget raised to records. I can't really blame it all on Bush, can't I? What happened to the same people that were so diligent with Clinton?

on Mar 09, 2010

Looks like a bunch of replies got 'eaten' during today's forum maintenance.

on Mar 09, 2010

Yea, sorry Cikomyr.  My reply to you got eaten as well.  Don't worry - there were no swear words in it.

on Mar 09, 2010

Looks like a socialist plot to wipe out some conservative posts!!!

on Mar 09, 2010

Looks like a socialist plot to wipe out some conservative posts!!!

Would be the day if Stardock became socialist.. eh..

on Mar 09, 2010

All my best arguments, all the debates won - poof, gone!

on Mar 10, 2010

Cikomyr

Looks like a socialist plot to wipe out some conservative posts!!!
Would be the day if Stardock became socialist.. eh..

Some might have said the same about GM - over a year ago.

 

on Mar 10, 2010

Looks like a socialist plot to wipe out some conservative posts!!!

Would be the day if Stardock became socialist.. eh..

I think "Bettyinlove" was the socialist saboteur this go round.

on Mar 10, 2010

Nitro Cruiser

I think "Bettyinlove" was the socialist saboteur this go round.

Who is BettyinLove?

on Mar 10, 2010

well, if they get their way nationalizing healthcare, and having already nationalized the banks and auto industry... the gaming industry is low on the list, but it will eventually be nationalized too.

on Mar 11, 2010

taltamir
well, if they get their way nationalizing healthcare, and having already nationalized the banks and auto industry... the gaming industry is low on the list, but it will eventually be nationalized too.

Lotteries are already state run.  They are half way there.

on Mar 11, 2010

Who is BettyinLove?

She (?) was a spammer. In one of the older threads I made a remark that her (?) account would be going away (as this person spammed an article). Well the day of the crash, Jafo responded to that article and gave an affirmative to my old comment. So it sounded like there was a correlation between the spammer and what happened to JU. Just a theory on my part.

on Mar 11, 2010

Lotteries aren't games... they are a voluntary tax on the mathematically challenged.

on Mar 11, 2010

taltamir
Lotteries aren't games... they are a voluntary tax on the mathematically challenged.

Ok, split bugs bunny there will you!

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